Nick Cave
Musician
The Bad Seeds frontman whose Red Hand Files demolition of a ChatGPT song “in the style of Nick Cave” — “a grotesque mockery of what it is to be human” — remains the most quoted artistic rejection of AI songwriting.
In his words
This song is bullshit, a grotesque mockery of what it is to be human, and, well, I don’t much like it.
Algorithms don’t feel. Data doesn’t suffer. ChatGPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere, it has endured nothing.
Biography
Nick Cave (born 1957) is an Australian singer-songwriter who has led Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds since 1983, building one of rock’s most revered catalogues — from Murder Ballads to the grief-soaked Ghosteen — alongside novels and film scores. Since 2018 he has answered fan letters through The Red Hand Files, a newsletter that has become a running meditation on art, loss, and meaning.
The Red Hand Files takedown
In January 2023, a fan named Mark sent Cave a song ChatGPT had written “in the style of Nick Cave.” Cave’s reply — Red Hand Files issue #218 — went viral as the definitive artistic case against AI songwriting. “Songs arise out of suffering,” he wrote, and are “predicated upon the complex, internal human struggle of creation” — something an algorithm that has “been nowhere” and “endured nothing” cannot perform, only mimic. His verdict on the imitation: “with all the love and respect in the world, this song is bullshit, a grotesque mockery of what it is to be human.”
Judging by this song “in the style of Nick Cave” though, it doesn’t look good… The apocalypse is well on its way. This song sucks.
Cave closed the letter with a wry twist — that the episode had at least given him something to feel: “I have got the fire of hell in my eyes — and it’s ChatGPT.” He has returned to the theme in later issues, consistently arguing that what AI removes from songwriting is not labor but the transformative struggle that gives a song its value. His stance is spiritual rather than economic: no lawsuit, no letter campaign, just the argument that replication is travesty.
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Sources & further reading
Canonical record: https://battlelines.ai/topic/nick-cave








